Kansas did it....

[uncle_jessie]

ID Wins in Kansas (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/08/tech/main1026220.shtml)

I'm speachless. Granted they are not flat out saying schools must teach ID in science class, but they are leaving it open. It's not a science. They say the universe is so complex it must have been created by a higher power. Who is this higher power? God? Flying Spaghetti Monster? Evolution may not hold all the answers yet, but that's just how it works. There will always be things we learn from scientific study. We will never know all the answers. That's the way it has always been and always will be. ID is the same thing as creationism with some window dressing to make it not look like creationism. But you know what they say, if it looks like shit and smells like shit....well then it must be shit.

Teach ID all you want, just don't teach it in the science classes of our public schools.

[Skizm]

People can put their faith in something they can't see and believe that that entity can create miracles, but its so hard to think that that God might have created the single celled organism that eventually evolved into monkeys then man. I think it's a good compromise with scientific reliability. The only thing in the way of this theory is Adam and EVE. Adam and Eve are like aesops fables; a story in the past to teach right and wrong. Doesn't seem feesable to me. (not to offend-just an opinion)-the bible has been translated, retranslated, and edited for content and propaganda for over 1000 years. don't you think the story then very well could have been placed at a later date? when u think about how screwed up a conversation between 3 or 4 people can get screwed up....doesn't it make it feesable.

disclaimer:
*I am not trying to offend-discrace-disgust-ridicule-hate-insult-or harm.

[Skizm]

I think it is okay. Maybe if we invole science with religion and stop thinking of religion into science. things might get proven or even proven wrong. There is always logic even in miracles our intelligence as a human race just isn't there yet. we are gaining an understanding of ourselves still and we still have a ways to go. when we don't understand things we have a tendancy to make a whole fantasy realm around something to justify it's being. let science prod at religion-it can't hurt. HOWEVER, there is a difference in giving info and data...and preaching-it's not a thin line either.

[artworx]

I lived in Overland Park from about 6th grade until I was 21. Did another stint in OP a few years back. Let's just say that if it wasn't for work or friends, I would have nothing to do with that side of state line. Over the years Kansas has become increasingly Republican and horribly religous. All you have to do is drive down a suburban Kansas street and you see that there are massive new mega-churches on every corner. There is a whole lot of money backing those churches, and that usually leads to some sort of church/state intermingling. I am just happy that I received a good education back when things were normal there. I feel bad for anyone growing up in Kansas who isn't a psycho Christian or (dear God no) might be gay in that state. Its no surprise to me that ID had a win because if the Republican majority of Kansas had their way, there would be no separation of church and state. They probably won't be happy until witch hunts are brought back and the state is driven back to the times of the horse and buggy. Only problem would be that they would be wondering if driving their new Mercedes is a prideful sin or still the status symbol every Kansan strives for.

I have no problem with people practicing their own religion, but keep it out of my face, out of my school, and out of my government. FYI, I was raised Catholic and still consider myself one, just no need to be pushy about it.

[r0t8]

fuck this shithole state

[artworx]

fuck this shithole state

Ok so I probably should have just said that and saved a lot of typing... lol

[sydeburnz]

personally, i find this a bit humorous. does any one of you complaining have children? if not, you have nobody that will being forcefed what you find so offensive. are you being kidnapped at gunpoint to wear khakis and a 'WWJD shirt' to one of these multiplying houses of rejoice? not that i agree with it, but why complain just to complain? my hunch is that everyone of you is against the whole banning of gay marriage thing too. kinda like 'if it isnt hurting anyone, why should it matter'. well, i say the same thing about this crap. if some parents want to brainwash their child into believing in some 'higher power' that requires them to pay 15% of their income to allow their leaders to thank them by molesting their kids, so be it.

[freedom4all]

I find it ridiculous that board is so worry about teaching the origins of the universe -- which can never be proven scientifically anyway -- yet there is no discussion of teaching things students NEED to learn in the 21st century. (That is, things that were taught in the beginning of the 20th century before the liberals changed public education forever) Students need to be learning physics and chemistry. they also need to be learning advanced math to go along with it. Some kids get through high school without learning any of these - not even basic algebra! Our whole education system is TWISTED! Kids can't read, analyze, or think critically anymore. It's called the dumbing down of America.

[r0t8]

i find it highly offensive that someone would suggest i'm complaining just to complain (sydeburnz)

[DjNyx]

^^^ what about for the future of our generation? Mb some of us'll have kids. I know I will (just not until after i'm married obviously, but i want a couple of kids).

edit: damn you fast posters... last remark aimed at burnzy boy

[DjNyx]

I find it ridiculous that board is so worry about teaching the origins of the universe -- which can never be proven scientifically anyway -- yet there is no discussion of teaching things students NEED to learn in the 21st century. (That is, things that were taught in the beginning of the 20th century before the liberals changed public education forever) Students need to be learning physics and chemistry. they also need to be learning advanced math to go along with it. Some kids get through high school without learning any of these - not even basic algebra! Our whole education system is TWISTED! Kids can't read, analyze, or think critically anymore. It's called the dumbing down of America.


yup... everyone needs to send their kids to china.

[r0t8]

^ yea, i certainly wouldn't want my kids going a school which teaches a bunch of religious-influenced garbage. not only is it ridiculous to 'teach' an idea so ambiguous as 'intelligent design', the petty in-class arguements over which is more plausible will just make the learning process as a whole more inefficient. there is nothing to learn about creationism outside of church. if parents want their kids to learn about that, save it for sunday.

[djxanlucero]

jesus lives.

[Bucho]

(That is, things that were taught in the beginning of the 20th century before the liberals changed public education forever)


perhaps if conservatives started taking an interest in TEACHING instead of money laundering and white collar crimes, you wouldn't have a 97% Liberal education system. but what do i know...i'm only a college student interested in teaching young people how to think for themselves, not formulate thoughts based on a religious ideology.

[djxanlucero]

jesus saves

[snap]

I may not have any school aged children right now, but we do have one on the way, so Im thinking about these things a little more seriously now. We've already decided we definately do not want our children to go to school in the midwest. I was raised here, and Mike was raised in New York. We've decided that we want our children taught in an area where religion is kept out of school, which is definately not here.

I remember in my history class Sophmore year, the teacher taught a section on evolution, then began to teach about creation and we had a test over some bible stories. I remember the whole time I was stunned that not only was this being presented to us, but we were being tested over it.

I was raised Catholic so I knew all about what he was discussing, but I think if you are going to teach creation along with evolution you should be teaching more than just what Christians/Jews believe.

[djxanlucero]

do they still have sex ed in school?

[Bucho]

do they still have sex ed in school?

they're actually trying to teach complete abstinence...if you can believe that...

[snap]

They have sex ed in Park Hill and North Kansas City School Districts in Missouri, I cant speak for school districts in Kansas though.

In NKC we were taught about "safe sex" and Park hill does the abstinence thing. Didnt work very well. In the class above me, like 25 girls dropped out to have babies, and like at least 20 in my class.

[r0t8]

^lol... we were taught sex ed in 6th grade

[snap]

In NKC they split health into two classes, one where you learn about how to eat right and exercise and what not, and one where you learn about sex. They talked about birth control and STDs and whatnot. It was freshman year I believe.

[djxanlucero]

sex ed ruled .

[snap]

I think Freshman year is a little late to be teaching it though.

[idontcare.com]

I think Freshman year is a little late to be teaching it though.

I don't think they taught us sex ed til the 10th or 11th grade in NY.

[Skizm]

I say let science prove religion wrong and when that happens laugh at the people who raised their kids on false hope. Over 70 stories have officially been disproven by science, archaeology, anthropology and technology. Go ahead teach it in schools maybe our kids will get it right and figure out the truth. We have the same attitude now as ancient times don't mix religion and school. uh-your government came up with this plan-follow it like they want. I just get a feeling that we will learn somethings about it if we do what no one wanted us to do for hundreds of years teach em together but as info and theory not absolut. There is nothing wrong with stating that "christians believe, taoists believe, buddhists believe," there will be a problem if it is..."this is the way everyone has to think."

[snap]

I don't think they taught us sex ed til the 10th or 11th grade in NY.

And... werent most people you know having sex by then?

[snap]

I just think educators should keep their personal beliefs, rather it be about religion, sex, or politics, out of the classroom.

[idontcare.com]

And... werent most people you know having sex by then?

I guess. I wasn't tho.

[snap]

^
yeah I forgot, you're saving yourself for marriage :P

[Cyrus Ramsey]

wow, the midwest is realy prude. i had my first sex ed class in 5th grade.

but that was in florida when ruled by the democrats and liberals. god i miss those times.

[RANDY WATSON]

i had sex ed in 4th, 5th, 7th, and 9th-12th. apparently every school i went to was really redundant. we did have a lot of promiscuous people where i went tho.

[DjNyx]

my first sex ed class was also in the 5th grade.

shit, if they want to teach about safe sex, they should TOTALLY pass out free condoms!!!!! that'd be fuckin sweet!!! (though it might promote it as well... sex for all!!!)

too bad that's not a course in college :(

[uncle_jessie]

personally, i find this a bit humorous. does any one of you complaining have children? if not, you have nobody that will being forcefed what you find so offensive. are you being kidnapped at gunpoint to wear khakis and a 'WWJD shirt' to one of these multiplying houses of rejoice? not that i agree with it, but why complain just to complain? my hunch is that everyone of you is against the whole banning of gay marriage thing too. kinda like 'if it isnt hurting anyone, why should it matter'. well, i say the same thing about this crap. if some parents want to brainwash their child into believing in some 'higher power' that requires them to pay 15% of their income to allow their leaders to thank them by molesting their kids, so be it.


I don't give a damn if gay's get married. And no I do not have kids, but money coming out of my paycheck is going to pay for schools in my area. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state, which is why they are calling this Intelligent Desing instead of creationism. Creationism was already shot down (in most public schools) because of the seperation of church and state. So they are just changing a few words and hoping people are too stupid to see what's going on, and it seems to be working.

[Becca]

I grew up in JoCo...every science teacher I ever had taught evolution. Sex ed began in 4th grade.

[auralassassin]

I don't see what the big deal is, it's not like evolution is OUT and intelligent design is in...

Christians have the same right to be represented as we do, in thier theories of science as well as we have them in ours. Until evolution is something that is proven(and I see great evidence of it, so don't think I'm with them) then it shouldn't REALLY even be taught, nor should intelligent design...

and at the point that it's PROVEN, don't you think it'd be more of a HISTORY kinda thing?

It's stupid to examine all sides of everything with only your point of view in mind--espe cially if your point of view is still a theory as well. I for one, don't think that teaching an alternate theory and comparing it to Evolution as possible is really going to do less good than bad. I think examining every possibility, no matter how remote is the only thing that science should be about--not someone's fucking agenda.

You aren't assured the RIGHT to never hear about religion in schools, you are assured the RIGHT that noone will ever prevent you from hearing about it in schools. Go back and read the fucking constitution. The state hasn't CHOSEN A RELIGION, they have CHOSEN to present an alternative theory on the day they are teaching evolution. I for one, would like to make an informed decision on evolution. Wouldn't you?

[missmichaela]

fuck this shithole state

THIS IS WHY I DONT LIVE IN KAN-ASS ANYMORE


GOTTA LOVE ILLINOIS AND THEM DEMS :)


WHOOOOO BLUE!

[auralassassin]

I live on the East Coast, I couldn't hit a republican with a nuke here.

There simply aren't any...

BTW, I find it amazingly funny for THIS to be the focus of the day for you all... we fucking SWEPT every major race that was happening... what the fuck is the cry session for? Go play some emo, bitches!

[djxanlucero]

the truth will now be revealed to you mere mortals . the universe was created by ninjas.

[r0t8]

BTW, I find it amazingly funny for THIS to be the focus of the day for you all... we fucking SWEPT every major race that was happening... what the fuck is the cry session for? Go play some emo, bitches!
fuck ralf

[DjNyx]

the truth will now be revealed to you mere mortals . the universe was created by ninjas.


no way... ninja pirates! such as myself.


we hybrids are more powerful than both

[djxanlucero]

my clan has for eons been dedicated to hunting and as visciously as possible exterminating all impure lines of ninjas. you have revealed yourself ,and must now accept your fate.

[DjNyx]

hah, you don't even know what you're up against!!! I'll take you down in one blow man!

[idontcare.com]

fuck ralph

[DjNyx]

Xan, we should take the ninja/pirate fight somewhere else. This thread seems to be reserved for fucking ralph.

[idontcare.com]

^no the only person that wants to fuck ralph is you

[idontcare.com]

I live on the East Coast, I couldn't hit a republican with a nuke here.

There simply aren't any...

BTW, I find it amazingly funny for THIS to be the focus of the day for you all... we fucking SWEPT every major race that was happening... what the fuck is the cry session for? Go play some emo, bitches!


Ummmm....

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/2004-election-map.gif

looks pretty red on the east cost to me.

[DjNyx]

^no the only person that wants to fuck ralph is you



noooooot so much.


*edited for risk of backfire*

[idontcare.com]

noooooot so much.


*edited for risk of backfire*

too late I already saw what you wrote...

daaaaamn... just saw a pic of the ORAL Assassine...... on yeah, he's definately my porn star!!

need I say more?

[auralassassin]

2004 election map?

Dude, lets examine the instances of Voter fraud, and how it represented 20% of Bush's votes. kthnx

[DjNyx]

too late I already saw what you wrote...



need I say more?


damn, you suck. I don't even remember that. I was probably drunk *shrugs*


anyway, as i said, i'm totally content.

[idontcare.com]

2004 election map?

Dude, lets examine the instances of Voter fraud, and how it represented 20% of Bush's votes. kthnx

you talk about being emo...

#2 - Isn't Washington DC on the east coast? I bet there are plenty of Republican's there, huh? Maybe? From PA down is ALL RED. Looks plenty O' Republican to me.

[auralassassin]

they always blame the alcohol :lol:

[auralassassin]

Actually, Washington DC--with no representation in Congress--who don't pay taxes--voted 89% Democrat in the last presidential election. Washinton DC's republicans aren't FROM there, and they vote by absentee ballot back home--they are senators and all the kings men.

You can't find a legitimate resident of DC who is a republican. I defy you, find me ONE!

If you've ever been to DC, you know that it's almost EXCLUSIVELY a minority city... how many Log Cabin Republicans you think they have there? 3... 4?

Colin Powell doesn't count. He got his ass out of town, too! :D

[idontcare.com]

Dude... It's the capital. There are Republican's in that city. Lots of them. I don't care if they are native or not. You said you couldn't hit a Republican with a nuke. I say I could hit one with a sling shot.

[auralassassin]

I live in Northeast PA... nothing from me up to Canada is a republican...

below me for 500 miles(after last night) is all democrat

Did you not follow the elections last night? Even Fox News is showing a landslide shift of power last night on the state levels, a sure sign of things to come in the next election. Even in Virginia, a state Bush was in the day before the election to campaign for the republican Governers spot with him, the Democrats won by 10%

Ok, maybe I could hit a FEW republicans... it was a rather facetious comment to begin with, Mike... choose your battles, buddy. I wish someone would hit the republicans with a nuke... I'm certain we all agree.

If you can't vote in DC, you don't count--republican or not.

[r0t8]

^ apparently you're not aware (not suprising) michael bloomberg, the recently re-elected mayor of new york city is a republican.

[idontcare.com]

^ apparently you're not aware (not suprising) michael bloomberg, the recently re-elected governor of new york is a republican.

heh!

[r0t8]

mayor of nyc... oops. ralf still loses, though.

[idontcare.com]

Pataki is governor... he's Republican.
Governor Romney of Massachusetts is Republican

[idontcare.com]

Governor M. Jodi Rell of Connecticut is Rebuplican as well....

[auralassassin]

Michael Bloomberg did a badass job of running New York City, he deserved to be re-elected. Not everything has to do with politcal affiliation.

Jenz is still a bitch that can't spell, and that about does it for me on this topic.

Kthnx

[Scottie Smalls]

personally, i find this a bit humorous. does any one of you complaining have children? if not, you have nobody that will being forcefed what you find so offensive. are you being kidnapped at gunpoint to wear khakis and a 'WWJD shirt' to one of these multiplying houses of rejoice? not that i agree with it, but why complain just to complain? my hunch is that everyone of you is against the whole banning of gay marriage thing too. kinda like 'if it isnt hurting anyone, why should it matter'. well, i say the same thing about this crap. if some parents want to brainwash their child into believing in some 'higher power' that requires them to pay 15% of their income to allow their leaders to thank them by molesting their kids, so be it.

bad analogy

we're talking about curriculum here

[Scottie Smalls]

You have to know where you came from to know where you're going, but I think a few thousand years of history should be plenty. We don't really need to know whether we evolved from an amoeba or not to tackle the issues that lie ahead. Do we?

[freedom4all]

personally, i find this a bit humorous. does any one of you complaining have children?

Just for the record:

I have an 8 yr old and a 6 yr old. Both of them are in private school so they won't be "dumbed down."

=)

[spherex]

the universe is a thought that happened

whos thought?

maybe it was yours? mine? ours?

class dismissed

[andrewboie]

could you please stop bumping 3 year old threads

[Bhumble]

what a dingleberry

[spherex]

aww c'mon, i havent broken the spherex rule in liek 2 weeks