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ashley
12-13-2005, 09:29 AM
Crips gang co-founder executed in Calif.
SAN QUENTIN, Calif. (AP) — Convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder whose case stirred a national debate about capital punishment and the possibility of redemption, was executed Tuesday morning.

The San Quentin Prison execution chamber where Stanley "Tookie" Williams died through lethal injection.
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Williams, 51, died at 12:35 a.m. Officials at San Quentin State Prison seemed to have trouble injecting the lethal mixture into his muscular arm. As they struggled to find a vein, Williams looked up repeatedly and appeared frustrated, shaking his head at supporters and other witnesses.

"You doing that right?" it sounded as if he asked one of the men with a needle.

After he was declared dead, his supporters shouted in unison: "The state of California just killed an innocent man," as they walked out of the chamber.


AP photo
Williams

The case became the state's highest-profile execution in decades. Hollywood stars and capital punishment foes argued that Williams' sentence should be commuted to life in prison because he had made amends by writing children's books about the dangers of gangs and violence.

In the days leading up to the execution, state and federal courts refused to reopen his case. Monday, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger denied Williams' request for clemency, suggesting that his claim to a change of heart was not genuine because he had not shown any real remorse for the killings committed by the Crips. (Related video: No clemency for 'Tookie')

"Is Williams' redemption complete and sincere, or is it just a hollow promise?" Schwarzenegger wrote. "Without an apology and atonement for these senseless and brutal killings, there can be no redemption."

Williams was condemned in 1981 for gunning down convenience store clerk Albert Owens, 26, at a 7-Eleven in Whittier and killing Yen-I Yang, 76, Tsai-Shai Chen Yang, 63, and the couple's daughter Yu-Chin Yang Lin, 43, at the Los Angeles motel they owned. Williams claimed he was innocent.

Witnesses at the trial said he boasted about the killings, stating "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." Williams then made a growling noise and laughed for five to six minutes, according to the transcript that the governor referenced in his denial of clemency.


Marcio Jose Sanchez, AP
Actor/death penalty opponent Mike Farrell joins Rev. Jesse Jackson outside of San Quentin State prison.

About 1,000 death penalty opponents and a few death penalty supporters gathered outside the prison to await the execution. Singer Joan Baez, M*A*S*H actor Mike Farrell and the Rev. Jesse Jackson were among the celebrities who protested the execution.

"Tonight is planned, efficient, calculated, antiseptic, cold-blooded murder and I think everyone who is here is here to try to enlist the morality and soul of this country," said Baez, who sang "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" on a small plywood stage set up just outside the gates.

A contingent of 40 people who had walked the approximately 25 miles from San Francisco held signs calling for an end to "state-sponsored murder." But others, including Debbie Lynch, 52, of Milpitas, said they wanted to honor the victims.

"If he admitted to it, the governor might have had a reason to spare his life," Lynch said.

Former Crips member Donald Archie, 51, was among those attending a candlelight vigil outside a federal building in Los Angeles. He said he would work to spread Williams' anti-gang message.

"The work ain't going to stop," said Archie, who said he was known as "Sweetback" as a young Crips member. "Tookie's body might lay down, but his spirit ain't going nowhere. I want everyone to know that, the spirit lives."

Among the celebrities who took up Williams' cause were Jamie Foxx, who played the gang leader in a cable movie about Williams; rapper Snoop Dogg, himself a former Crip; Sister Helen Prejean, the nun depicted in "Dead Man Walking"; and Bianca Jagger. During Williams' 24 years on death row, a Swiss legislator, college professors and others nominated him for the Nobel Prizes in peace and literature.

"There is no part of me that existed then that exists now," Williams said recently during an interview with The Associated Press.

"I haven't had a lot of joy in my life. But in here," he said, pointing to his heart, "I'm happy. I am peaceful in here. I am joyful in here."

Williams' statements did not sway some relatives of his victims, including Lora Owens, Albert Owens' stepmother. In the days before his death, she was among the outspoken advocates who argued the execution should go forward.

"(Williams) chose to shoot Albert in the back twice. He didn't do anything to deserve it. He begged for his life," she said during a recent interview. "He shot him not once, but twice in the back. ... I believe Williams needs to get the punishment he was given when he was tried and sentenced."

auralassassin
12-13-2005, 09:44 AM
Finally justice for those poor people.

auralassassin
12-13-2005, 09:45 AM
BTW, I'm nominating you for the Nobel Prize, Ashley.

No no... don't thank me, you haven't won yet.

r0t8
12-13-2005, 04:09 PM
not sure how i feel about this. i think he was guilty and deserving, but much more so around the time of the crimes than he was yesterday. they should have executed him 20 years ago if they really wanted justice. it's like, diluted justice now that he wasn't the same person 25 years later. besides, the benefits of keeping him alive far outweighed the benefits of killing him. now he is an icon, a martyr to gangsters and gangster wannabes.

Scottie Smalls
12-13-2005, 11:36 PM
I think the death penalty is fucking morbid. The sterility of it. The planning of it. The "execution" of it. All totally sick in my mind.

It's all about root cause analysis. That's how you find proper solutions to problems. The death penalty is the solution to nothing.

J. Phoenix
12-14-2005, 12:07 AM
I had a weird experience related to this: at the exact minute he was executed I woke from my sleep suddenly and for no apparent reason, looked at the clock confused, saw the time (2.34am CST), and just kinda blinked. I sleep with my radio on and about 2 minutes later or so they announced on the BBC that Tookie had been executed and had a live feed of the official pronouncement.
Strange event; I hadn't really given his issue much thought besides that if they killed him, they'd just be proving that there is no redemption to all the gang-bangers out there. Expect the streets to get meaner in the future. There will be repercussions because of this.

I'm for the death penalty, btw.
Murderers, rapists, and pedophiles should be summarily and painlessly executed with one appeal in less than a year from being charged and found guilty. The repercussions of their actions last a lifetime for the victims and their families, hence they should be removed from the earth for the rest of our lifetimes. I do not believe execution through a proper judicial process is a form of murder as some say; I believe it is a form of social constraint and consequence held for those who commit grievious acts against societies' members.

The difficulty I have with Tookie's execution is that he spent a loooong time waiting, and that he had learned the error of his lifestyle--even going so far as to try and right the wrong of creating something larger than himself by educating others and warning them away. What more could any truly penitent person do? There was an arguement that he had been a witness/accomplice by association and that someone else commited the murder, but we can thank the courts and the Governator for not pursuing newly discovered evidence.

NorthlandRaveAlum
12-14-2005, 12:12 AM
my question is, if he had changed so much, why not work w/ prison officials on the gang problems inside the prison?

anyways, I'm not getting involved in this convo tonight.. I'm drunk and need to pass out... :mrgreen:

The Outcast
12-14-2005, 12:16 AM
life can suck. This guy knows it...knew it. Learn from your mistakes and hope to god that they dont get you killed.

The Outcast
12-14-2005, 12:19 AM
life can suck. This guy knows it...knew it. Learn from your mistakes and hope to god that they dont get you killed.

koneka
12-14-2005, 01:03 AM
should have been exectued several years ago.....

What's really sad, is that i saw protestors singing on CNN, SINGING "all we are saying is, give tookie a chance"! FUCK!!

John Lennon is rolling in his grave...

Nick Steady
12-14-2005, 01:48 AM
The death penalty is sanctioned murder. Two wrongs do not make a right. No human has the right to take away the life of another human no matter what the circumstances. I'll give it a personal touch with a small anectdote.

All of you that know me, and many of you that frequent this site, know that just over a month ago my uncle, who was only 32 and more like my brother, died in a car crash. What many of you don't know is that he died because another person driving another vehicle purposely forced him of the road. This guy did this because he was drunk and jealous that my uncle had been talking to this guys girlfriend earlier that evening. My uncle's car ran head on into a tree and moments later the car burst into flames. My uncle never had a chance to make it out of the car. This man killed my uncle, and it filled me with a variety of horrible emotions that I can't even put into words. I will always feel this way to some degree. I don't want anyone else to ever have to feel this way. I think this guy should have to pay for what he did. I hope he pays the rest of his life for it, but I don't want him to be killed. That's never going to bring back my uncle and it won't heal my family's pain and suffering. And if he were to be put to death, then his family will have to feel the same pain and loss that my family and I feel. So in the end, everyone looses.

So tell me now, how does executing someone who has already been removed from society and stripped of their freedom, make our world a better place? It just seems to me like it just feeds a vicious, violent cycle.

Scottie Smalls
12-14-2005, 03:27 AM
^^^^^

exactly. the theory is that the death penalty helps fuel the cycle of violence. I'm glad you don't wish death upon this individual no matter how terrible of a human being he may be. Obviously most of us would never consider bashing someone off of the road into a tree, but we shouldn't kill someone that makes this decision or even someone that makes the decision to murder. It sends out the wrong message. It sends out a message of FEAR. It is also very REACTIVE instead of PROCACTIVE.

imagine if we abolished the death penalty. what would be different? would there be more violent crimes? I highly doubt it. Most people that commit rape, incest, murder, etc. don't really consider the reprocussions of their act before committing them, and more often than not criminals believe they are going to get away with the crime, so they don't really consider the penalty for getting caught.

You don't prevent killing by killing killers. You prevent killing through generosity and love.

why do families feel that killing the murderer brings closure and justice? The damage is already done. As Nick mentioned two wrongs definately do not make a right.

auralassassin
12-14-2005, 07:24 AM
Fine abolish the death penalty... after you kill this guy... oh yea, and that guy...

meanwhile, fuckers like BTK get to beat off in Prison for the rest of their lives, using the state sheets to tie off in bondage attire.

beautiful. this guy killed 4 innocent people.

he shot a guy who wasn't armed, in the BACK, while he laid face down on the ground... then sat at the scene and laughed for 10 minutes at the gurgling noise he made.

less than a week later, he killed 3 asians for NO FUCKING REASON. He took no money.

And writing a childrens book(with a fucking GHOSTWRITER, NO LESS) redeems that? I think his execution should have been public, and I'm fairly anti death penalty--the point is, I don't want to pay for 30 appeals just because some liberals say so.

mike p
12-14-2005, 09:38 AM
R.I.P Tookie

djxanlucero
12-14-2005, 12:17 PM
crippin crazy cash cuz por vida....R.I.P.

Bucho
12-14-2005, 01:34 PM
So tell me now, how does executing someone who has already been removed from society and stripped of their freedom, make our world a better place? It just seems to me like it just feeds a vicious, violent cycle.


on top of that, 20 years can change a person. hell, 5 years changes a person. who's to say it wasn't for the better?

koneka
12-14-2005, 03:23 PM
I'll stand, should have been executed years ago, even @ the end he showed no remource. And as far as prison being an instituiton for re-hablitation. :( Very few make it out actually re-hablitated if not worse then when they went it. Writing a few childrens books, huggin celebrities, doesn't make you a better person. Just makes you for convincing.

auralassassin
12-14-2005, 04:32 PM
You cannot undo murder, plain and simple.

Think about all the bad that this man caused... he was CONVICTED of 4 murders... how many more do you think he committed?

Mmmkay, now he also founded a ruthless streetgang that has 10,000 bodies CONFIRMED killed by them, not to mention countless others... so he has 10,000 confirmed deaths on his hands.

Noone deserves the death penalty more than him. Stopping a few fights doesn't make up for the pain he caused. And if you "didn't do it" but say "I was mentally ill when I did it" in another court, you cannot be redeemed. Hell, he couldn't even tell the truth, let alone redeem himself..

djxanlucero
12-14-2005, 04:36 PM
everybody comes up different yo.

The Outcast
12-19-2005, 07:37 PM
Noone deserves the death penalty more than him.


Not even Hitler? I mean i dont know the exact numbers, but im pretty sure the ol' H man edged him out by atleast a little bit.

Just a thought.

mikemcgrath
12-19-2005, 07:51 PM
i saw a bumper sticker today that made up my mind about it. it said:

"why do we kill people
who kill people to show them
it is wrong to kill people?"

mikemcgrath
12-19-2005, 07:53 PM
and i realized , as well, that if we kept these people alive it would also give us more of a chance to study and learn from them to help future mentally fucked up murderous people which would be better for us all.

yup.

The Outcast
12-19-2005, 08:02 PM
this is a little off subject but anyway...

SHIT!!!! I knew exactly what i was going to say, but then i forgot a few words of it. Now, if i were to post what i do remember it would seem dumb (more so than what im posting now) and very off subject. SHIT FUCK DAMN........I hate it when that happens.

post script. i know once i forgot what i was going to post verbatum i should have posted nothing, but for some reason i could not handle the fact that this post would not happen. I think that makes me compulsive of some sort.

mikemcgrath
12-19-2005, 08:10 PM
this is a little off subject but anyway...

SHIT!!!! I knew exactly what i was going to say, but then i forgot a few words of it. Now, if i were to post what i do remember it would seem dumb (more so than what im posting now) and very off subject. SHIT FUCK DAMN........I hate it when that happens.

post script. i know once i forgot what i was going to post verbatum i should have posted nothing, but for some reason i could not handle the fact that this post would not happen. I think that makes me compulsive of some sort.

gee, ya think? ;)

The Outcast
12-19-2005, 08:14 PM
its just a guess.

excuse me now, have to go wash my hands and open and shut my door 3 times.