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Cyrus Ramsey
10-16-2006, 11:17 AM
From the Kansas City Star

LIGHT-RAIL PLAN | $975-million proposal that would extend sales tax is on Nov. 7 ballot
Chastain back for another try
His proposal calls for a line from the zoo to the airport. Opponents say details are lacking.
By LYNN HORSLEY
The Kansas City Star
For the seventh time in nine years, Clay Chastain has gathered sufficient signatures to place a transit proposal before Kansas City voters.

All his previous plans have failed at the ballot box, and critics are so confident that this light-rail plan will fail, too, that they aren’t mounting much of a campaign to defeat it.

Nor is Chastain mounting an aggressive campaign to pass it. He believes it will succeed with voters on its own merits in the Nov. 7 election.

“The world is a different place than it was when we voted on this before,” Chastain said in a telephone interview from his home in Bedford, Va. “The truth needs no financial campaign.”

Higher gasoline prices, improved light-rail technology, a looming global-warming threat, and the need for a more livable city are all factors that Chastain believes will persuade voters to approve this measure where others have failed.

“It’s crucial to this city, the vitality of its future,” he said.

Opponents respond that Chastain’s plan lacks sufficient detail and that his assumptions about costs and funding are unrealistic.

“The plan is preposterous,” said Mark Huffer, Area Transportation Authority general manager. “I don’t see any way it gets legs.”

Chastain’s first initiative sought to restore Union Station as a transit hub. Subsequent Chastain proposals in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002 and 2003 envisioned light-rail trains running through the city, along with other enhancements. All of those ideas (plus a city-sponsored light-rail plan in 2001) went down to defeat.

This year’s $975-million proposal calls for:

•A 27-mile line from the Kansas City Zoo to Kansas City International Airport, with multiple stops in between. Chastain estimates the line would cost $945 million ($35 million per mile). He included Swope Park because it is a major city destination. He says a light-rail station there would serve the large East Side work force that could use the trains to get to jobs.

•A fleet of 60 electric shuttle buses, costing about $20 million, to carry about 25 passengers each and connect commuters from various destinations to the light-rail line.

•A $10-million aerial gondola tram connecting Union Station, Liberty Memorial and Penn Valley Park.

To pay the local portion of these improvements, Chastain is seeking voter approval to extend for 25 years an existing 3/8- cent sales tax that currently goes to the local bus system. That tax generates about $24 million annually, or about $37 per year for every resident, employee or visitor in Kansas City. The tax is currently scheduled to expire in 2009.

Chastain’s plan also assumes that about half the light-rail funding will come from the federal government, along with some money from the state, although he acknowledges that neither is guaranteed. But he says that without a local match, Kansas City will never qualify for federal transit funding and it’s time for Kansas City to take the light-rail leap forward, as other progressive cities have.

“There isn’t any light-rail plan (from the establishment) on the drawing table,” he said. “This is the only one out there. Why wait any longer?”

Besides the Area Transportation Authority, opponents include the Regional Transit Alliance, which advocates for an efficient metropolitan transit system.

Chastain’s adversaries are concerned that his estimates on the light-rail system are too low based on costs of some recent systems. They also say it is highly unlikely that $473 million will be available from the federal government to help pay the costs.

The ATA and other transit supporters have been pushing a different approach, called Smart Moves. It would consist mainly of expanded rapid bus service, not just in Kansas City but throughout surrounding suburbs. Funding would come from a new regional transit sales tax.

Chastain believes rapid buses are a poor substitute for light rail. “The insider process is not producing the correct plan, because it’s leaving out light rail,” he said.

Some people wonder why Chastain, who moved away from Kansas City several years ago, doesn’t concentrate on transit plans for his new home of Bedford. He concedes that he’s stymied there because Bedford doesn’t have a process allowing citizens to initiate ballot measures, as Kansas City does.

“There’s no petition process available,” he said. “That cools my jets here” in Bedford.

But Chastain pointed out that his mother, sister and a daughter live in Kansas City and he still feels compelled to try to make it a better city.

“It’s a town that I have a great love for,” he said.


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Clay Chastain gathered more than 2,626 valid petition signatures to put a proposal for light rail, electric shuttle buses and a gondola tram on the Nov. 7 ballot in Kansas City. He says it will help the city environmentally, economically and aesthetically. Opponents say the plan lacks sufficient detail or citywide planning and is unrealistic.


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Nick Steady
10-16-2006, 12:22 PM
I would support a light rail innitiative if Clay Chastain wasn't the one behind it. That guy has issues and his plans are not well thought out. According to the Pitch (so you never know if you should believe it or not) Charles Wheeler is a pretty sharp tack when it comes to the issue of public transportation and should be the one spearheading this issue. And also, for the ammount of money, that route seems to be a bit less than sufficient for the needs of this city. What about lines that connect south Kansas City, Independence and the southeastern suburbs, or (god forbid) Johnson County?

Cyrus Ramsey
10-16-2006, 01:35 PM
A line as to start somewhere. The line in STL only goes from east to west, connecting the airports to downtown STL. But the line was such a hit that they soon started construction of the north and south route.

All we need is something to connect the major urban areas and airport to downtown to start with, and from there it can grow as it is doing in STL.

[ragga]SCUM
10-16-2006, 01:42 PM
A line as to start somewhere. The line in STL only goes from east to west, connecting the airports to downtown STL. But the line was such a hit that they soon started construction of the north and south route.

All we need is something to connect the major urban areas and airport to downtown to start with, and from there it can grow as it is doing in STL.


Indeed. Especially if the city wants to expand and become more like a "big" city. You can't rely on a bus system to transport 3,000,000+ people.

djsolaris
10-16-2006, 01:46 PM
For god sake lets make this thing pass...mass transit would roc!

The Professor
10-16-2006, 04:19 PM
seriously... i would go out more if it meant i didn't have to drive home, and be the sober one, etc... it becomes a hassle and a senseless worry...

yeah... it isn't well thought out, but it is a chance to get the idea going more... it will change after it passes, it always does... it will be refined and fixed to be effective...

nukki
10-16-2006, 05:54 PM
i voted no on this before in the past but i tell ya after that last gas price spike i would much rather rock the light rail to work then to dump 20 bucks in the tank only get get fumes!!


voting yes to this and i hope it passes

Cyrus Ramsey
10-16-2006, 06:35 PM
As Mullen says, if it actually passes this time, the city and the MTA will finally take it seriously. Once that happens the plan will prob change a hundred times before they lay the first rail.

My girl works with the MTA much at her job. Currently for a city our size, we are behind the power curve by over 10 years when it comes to public transportation. Out of the 35 largest metropolitan areas in the country, only 8 lack a proper public transport system, and KC is rated the worst overall. Surprise surprise.

Even if the vote is close of enough to a near tie, they might take it more seriously. The light rail in STL has been nothing but a financial powerhouse for the city. You cant even get on those trains during rush hour as they are so full. Whenever we are in STL (bout 3 times a year), we drive into the city and take the trains for much of out inner city travels from that point on. The kids love it, its cheap, and it WAY faster then some stupid ass bus.

patnice8x1x6
10-16-2006, 07:21 PM
I voted for it last time it came up.

And I will vote for it again....I'm a big proponent of mass transit. It cuts down on all types of bad by-products of driving, 2 of many which I think you all will agree we could do with much less of:

Pollution and DUI's. :)

This city is growing more each year. It's time to grow along with it.

JonBoy!
10-16-2006, 09:41 PM
For god sake lets make this thing pass...mass transit would roc!

DUDE!!! YOU LIVE IN KANSAS!!!!

MOVE TO MISSOURI OR STFU!!!

DjNyx
10-17-2006, 08:57 AM
we definately need a light rail system. When i'm in denver, i never have to go anywhere because there's is so friggin effecient. 2 bucks a ticket (round trip) to go anywhere you need to. not to mention it's a real bitch to drive around that area in the first place.

Yup yup.... light rail gets my thumbs up. yay for saving money and gas.

Bucho
10-22-2006, 07:55 PM
DUDE!!! YOU LIVE IN KANSAS!!!!



fucking and?

i live in southwest johnson county, but i'd use the fuck out of some public transportation...IT JUST MAKES SENSE! my god, how long are we gonna have to wait for something that shows kansas and missouri aren't as bassackwards as the rest of the country knows we are? i'd sell my car in a heartbeat if there were adequate public transportation to ride. not to mention all the people currently having issues with getting across town to jobs, pick up kids, whatever...

whether they stick with the current train line plan or change it up (which is more than likely, as rj stated earlier), this will be nothing but good for the metro area.

artworx
10-22-2006, 09:38 PM
I just want a rail going from my house to Price Chopper and back. Otherwise I'm fine with my 2 minute drive to work.

Cyrus Ramsey
10-23-2006, 11:17 AM
2 minute drive?

dude, get a bike, roller blades, start walking, something.