Obama Takes Democratic Nomination

[Bucho]

*i'm so fucking stoked by this right now...*



ST. PAUL, Minn. - Barack Obama, with a lock on the Democratic presidential nomination, reached out on Tuesday night to heal Democratic wounds with lofty praise for his rival and to taunt Republicans on their own turf.


Speaking in a packed sports arena, the same one that will host the Republican nominating convention in early September, Obama said the long, hard primary campaign, now finally ended, should help steel a deeply divided party to do more effective battle against Republicans and their candidate, John McCain.

"Senator Hillary Clinton has made history in this campaign not just because she's a woman who has done what no woman has done before, but because she's a leader who inspires millions of Americans with her strength, her courage, and her commitment to the causes that brought us here tonight," Obama said.

"Our party and our country are better off because of her, and I am a better candidate for having had the honor to compete" with her, he said.

Speculation spread over whether he would invite her to share the ticket as his running mate, and Clinton only encouraged it. But Obama aides tied to tamp down such talk.

"We don't have a long list or a short list," said David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist. "Obviously she's an incredibly formidable person. We knew that going in. It's way too early to talk about that."

Obama won a mathematical lock on the nomination as previously undeclared superdelegates — elected and party officials — flocked to his side on the day of the last presidential primaries. Still, Clinton did not concede her own defeat.

The Illinois senator's victory rally had all the trappings of a party convention — and intentionally so.

At the Xcel Energy Center, where the GOP convention will begin Sept. 1, nearly all of the 18,000 seats taken. The arena was festooned with large American flags. Loud music blared. The hall erupted into tumultuous screams and cheers when Obama and his wife, Michelle, entered. Supporters pumped Obama signs.

His long-time-coming victory speech minced no words about McCain.

"In just a few short months, the Republican Party will arrive in St. Paul with a very different agenda. They will come here to nominate John McCain, a man who has served this country heroically. ... My differences with him are not personal; they are with the policies he has proposed in this campaign."

Obama challenged McCain's claims of independence, noting he voted with President Bush 95 percent of the time last year.

"There are many words to describe John McCain's attempt to pass off his embrace of George Bush's policies as bipartisan and new," Obama said. "But change is not one of them."

Reuniting a party divided by the marathon, 17-month battle between the two historic candidates — a woman and a black man — will be a top challenge for the Illinois senator as he moves into a general election race with McCain.

"After 54 hard-fought contests, our primary season has finally come to an end," Obama said, recalling the day in February 2007 when he announced his candidacy at the Illinois Capitol and the millions who have voted since then.

"Tonight, I can stand before you and say that I will be the Democratic nominee for president of the United States," he said. That line brought down the house.

Unity and change were the main themes of his speech, as they have been on the campaign trail.

"There are independents and Republicans who understand that this election isn't just about the party in charge of Washington, it's about the need to change Washington. There are young people, and African-Americans, and Latinos, and women of all ages who have voted in numbers that have broken records and inspired a nation," he said.

Obama nailed down the nomination on a day in which the two rivals split the last two primaries, with Clinton winning South Dakota and Obama taking Montana.

[thoughtbombing]

Congratulations on the milestone victory. I still don't see how he represents change, when he has an identical voting record to Hillary it seems.

[Bucho]

it's his truthiness level.

[djephex]

i bet my homie obama will fix alot of the legal and corrections problems....i guess we shall see. now we all just need to damn hope mccain dosent pull a gop slyde of hand election trick

[rue]

I was so excited last nite when i heard this.. truly history in the making whether he wins or not..

[REDRUM]

Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.
Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.

[djephex]

Vvvvvv------= Rediculouse! Lol

[The Professor]

Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.
Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.



uhh... ignorance... just plain ignorance...

Even Ralph wouldn't post this garbage...

[Tonic]

i bet my homie obama will fix alot of the legal and corrections problems....i guess we shall see. now we all just need to damn hope mccain dosent pull a gop slyde of hand election trick

Ill take you up on that bet... He wont fix shit, but put all your hopes in it if you like

[Tonic]

Congratulations on the milestone victory. I still don't see how he represents change, when he has an identical voting record to Hillary it seems.

Thats all i keep hearing is CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE... Ill see it when i believe it

[Bucho]

Thats all i keep hearing is CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE... Ill see it when i believe it


well, he's gotta be in the office in order to get it started.

[Tonic]

well, he's gotta be in the office in order to get it started.

well hes already in an 'office'.. tell what hes changed so far?

[Bucho]

the difference....


-one senator governs in a chamber of 99 other senators. his voice is 1/100th of the entire chamber.
-one president governs in a house that presides over some 240,000,000 people. he has the power to veto bills put forth by 535 legislators.

you tell me who's gonna get more done and from what position.

[thoughtbombing]

uhh... ignorance... just plain ignorance...

Even Ralph wouldn't post this garbage...

Definitely not. I think his social and tax policy will drive this country into the ground worse than it already is. He's talking about increasing the debt, rather than finding a way to build surplus... I'd take that ideological fight all day long to the American people... no evangelical bullshit needed

[REDRUM]

uhh... ignorance... just plain ignorance...

Even Ralph wouldn't post this garbage...

pick up a holy bible

[djephex]

who is the ideal candidate then? ron paul?? some of what ron says is good, but alot of it is just reworded gop bs. designed to fool borderline libertarian politicals in voting conservative. if we should of learned one thing from the past 8 years its that conservative legislature promotes large tax cuts for big business and keeps the middle class scraping for each dime to keep up a ballooning morgage payment.

[dday]

pick up a holy bible

hahahahghahahahahahahahahahahqahqahah

[djephex]

pick up a holy bible

the usa IS the antichrist my friend. 100% antichrist since 1776 :D

[Bucho]

hahahahghahahahahahahahahahahqahqahah


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[thoughtbombing]

the difference....


-one senator governs in a chamber of 99 other senators. his voice is 1/100th of the entire chamber.
-one president governs in a house that presides over some 240,000,000 people. he has the power to veto bills put forth by 535 legislators.

you tell me who's gonna get more done and from what position.

He doesn't actually govern the entire country, that is bullshit. He governs about 40,000 employees, and the military when in times of war... otherwise, like you said, he only has the power to veto--which basically means he's the leader of 535, not 240 Million

[Bucho]

either way, the point is the president has more power/control than one senator.

[thoughtbombing]

who is the ideal candidate then? ron paul?? some of what ron says is good, but alot of it is just reworded gop bs. designed to fool borderline libertarian politicals in voting conservative. if we should of learned one thing from the past 8 years its that conservative legislature promotes large tax cuts for big business and keeps the middle class scraping for each dime to keep up a ballooning morgage payment.

Ron Paul is for across the board tax cuts. There is a difference. Republicans and Dems do the same thing, only opposite... either way we're fucked. We need an outsider to do their fucking job.

[djephex]

Ron Paul is for across the board tax cuts. There is a difference. Republicans and Dems do the same thing, only opposite... either way we're fucked. We need an outsider to do their fucking job.

tax cuts arent what we need atm. we need expendature cuts. major ass expendature cuts

[thoughtbombing]

tax cuts arent what we need atm. we need expendature cuts. major ass expendature cuts

if you do both, then I agree.

we need both. if we stop spending, we can stop taxing.. works best that way.

[djephex]

if you do both, then I agree.

we need both. if we stop spending, we can stop taxing.. works best that way.

agreed

[spider_bigger]

Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.
Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.

as with most things, this is all up to personal interp.

1. are you saying he calls for the defeat or american forces in iraq? i need clarification on this.

2. he's mounting his mother?

3. he's obviously not very good at deception if YOU know about it.

4. remains to be seen.

5. no american president would dare go against zionism. let's see it happen.

6. this one is just silly.

7. what the FUCK are you talking about? is there something in the bible about "Al Qaida"?

8. "king of the south"??? is that all you've got? check a globe. there are a lot of things south of jerusalem. if you believe the bible so fucking much, then you'd welcome the antichrist! rapture, anyone? so, mr. believer, it is written. why point fingers? sit back and laugh.

9. you're stretching for points. is he really trying to do this? let's see him try, given that he is only one of the three branches of our government. it's so funny to see/hear one religion be so fearful of another when they're all so similar in their bullshit.

your last statement... 1.5 bil support obama?

ugh. where did you copy this garbage from?
----------------

and yes... (!) pick up a "holy bible," yourself. have YOU? i'd just love to argue about that. unless you're catholic, your christian religion most likely believes in personal interpretation (and a personal relationship with your lord and savior) - not a copypasta version of garbage from some closed minded, uneducated fuck. again, if you believe what you posted you'd welcome end times. please... PLEASE bring some valid arguments. i'm NOT an atheist. i'm NOT a democrat. i'm NOT an obama supporter. i am, however, a logical free-thinking individual. i would seriously enjoy shooting down more of this kind of tripe.

[Bucho]

it doesn't matter...dude obviously doesn't even bother to check the news (of any bias), and therefore remains uninformed. obama has already stated his support for Israel and he's been a fucking christian for years (re: Reverend Wright)...

the post is funny, purely for the level of intelligence it shows on the poster's part.

[spider_bigger]

dude needs to step up in his debate.

so bring it, most hated. tell me what your flavor of christianity is. let's note some sources. let's quote some scripture, buddy.

if you wanna bend it, there are alien/human hybrids (giants drowned in the flood) in the bible, ufo's, drug experiences...

[thoughtbombing]

dude needs to step up in his debate.

so bring it, most hated. tell me what your flavor of christianity is. let's note some sources. let's quote some scripture, buddy.

if you wanna bend it, there are alien/human hybrids (giants drowned in the flood) in the bible, ufo's, drug experiences...

don't forget Reptilian Humanoids.

[spherex]

america fucked up. obama may be the nominee, but now noone is going to vote for him, and we'll see more miscounts again, and mccain will win. you shouldve voted for hillary, prepare for another bush.

sincerely pissed

[thoughtbombing]

america fucked up. obama may be the nominee, but now noone is going to vote for him, and we'll see more miscounts again, and mccain will win. you shouldve voted for hillary, prepare for another bush.

sincerely pissed

More people voted for Hillary... if you look at the electoral map of Hillary v Obama, give the Edwards delegates to Hillary(because he only endorses Obama because he was "winning")...

so go by popular vote, eh? you count even half of Florida and NONE of Michigan and she beat Obama.

so in short, people did vote for Hillary and they were disenfranchised... again, in the case of Florida. Obama tried to make the argument that he's for change...

Change the minds of the racist South(take 1% of the vote away from every race that isn't black from Obama for Bias)

if that = more than 3-4% of the population when combined, Obama loses due to race. Take his Jewish Floridian vote(thanks to AIPAC supporting McShame/Lieberman)... or you could look at how Florida came out for Hillary. His name was on the ballot, and she went to ONE campaign stop in Florida a few days before... gtfo.

If I were an Obama supporter, I'd be worrying my ass off about all of the scenario's for defeat, because they far outweigh his scenario for victory...

oh and btw... take a look at Kerry v Bush polling from nominating them to November... notice any 5-10 point advantages for Kerry that crumbled in the voting booths? McCain by 5... easy.

[spherex]

yea thats what i didnt seem to understand. how could hillary have so much support, but somehow not get enough deligates to become a nominee?

[thoughtbombing]

delegates are given out based upon the population... heavily populated/voted areas tend to lean black, as more rural areas tend to be white... he happens to be black, but the real turnout came from more rural areas this time, and so areas that had more voters this time didn't get more representation to go with their numbers... as such, half of the party gets disenfranchised. I don't really care who gets the nod for those socialist fuckers though.

[REDRUM]

Obama's Not Exactly's:

1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965. (Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.)

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that....and for more.
Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know the truth.

5) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
4-3-08 Article "Obama was 'quite religious in islam'" http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts."

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY, you were quite content in hi gh school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - NOT EXACTLY, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY, only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) M y Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA - NOT EXACTLY, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY, you said let the delegates decide.

31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY, your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

[timmyruckus]

6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

i fail to see how this matters whatsoever, i haven't read the rest b/c it's leave time, but seriously, why does this have relevance?

[thoughtbombing]

34.) I Don't Take PAC Money - NOT EXACTLY, you take loads of it.

35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.


37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

QFT. All the rest is pretty ridiculous... CNN went to his school actually and interviewed teachers.. he went there, was registered as a Christian, BUT DID STUDY THE KORAN...

So did Thomas Jefferson, whose Koran Representative and Muslim from Minnesota, Keith Ellison was sworn in on. I don't think religion, race, sex, preference, identity, etc should matter in the fucking slightest... our Constitution demands they don't matter and they shouldn't.

[JustJohn]

While I do not support Obama nor partisan politics...I do feel that Obama gaining the nomination is a HUGE step forward for our country and society. Better Obama than that reptile Hillary Clinton...I hope Obama blows McCain out of the water.

Progress? Maybe....

Will anything really change? Probably not

[REDRUM]

A Few Other Possibilities on Barack Obama's Birth Certificate

Already the query about Barack Obama's birth certificate is being declared ipso facto evidence of "xenophobia" by those who see a "racist America."

Hawaii's State Department of Health explains the policy on releasing vital records here. Unless you're a relative of Obama, your request will be denied.*

A few readers and other bloggers have wondered aloud what information possibly could be on the birth certificate that would make it worth keeping from the public. Beyond yesterday's (mostly unlikely) possibilities — a foreign birth, a different middle name, or a different first name at birth — there are a few others. (I have been unable to determine precisely what information was recorded on a birth certificate in the state of Hawaii in 1961; any reader insight would be appreciated. I would note that what kind of information was on other state's certificates isn't all that helpful.)

Today's standard certificate of live birth, as issued by the CDC, includes a wide variety of information.

Some states include data on the marital status of the mother. As mentioned in the previous post, details on the marriage ceremony and legal paperwork of the marriage of Obama's mother and father are fuzzy. (It is now clear that Obama's father was not legally divorced from his first wife in Africa at the the time.) All things considered, the possibility that his parents weren't married seems like small potatoes in terms of scandals — not much of a reason to vote against Obama — but perhaps Obama's campaign doesn't want to open that door.

Some states record "religion" on the certificate. If Obama's certificate said "none," it's hard to imagine that being a major scandal; Obama has talked about being raised in a home without much influence of organized religion. I suppose if next to where the religion it says "Muslim", it would generate a predictable brouhaha, but it would reveal more about the beliefs of his father at that time than the candidate. It's not like one-day-old Obama filled the form out himself.

(Perhaps the campaign fears opening the "will the Muslim world see him as an apostate?" can of worms again. But it's hard to see how this revelation would be a bigger deal than his attendance of a Muslim school in Indonesia, that he talks about in his book.)

Then there is the strong possibility that the document asked for "race." I encountered this comment in a web site detailing a research effort at the Family Health Services Division at the Hawaii State Department of Health:

Hawaii is a very unique population. Some of this uniqueness is reflected in that the majority of all births in Hawaii can be considered multi-ethnic. The impact of this heterogeneity on outcomes is not known. The Department of Health seeks a graduate student to evaluate the birth certificate file for birth outcomes of Preterm delivery and Low birth-weight with a particular interest in changes depending on classification based on reported child’s race, compared to mother’s race, father’s race, and both the father’s and mother’s race.

It seems likely that the certificate would record baby Obama's race. While Obama's biracial heritage is pretty obvious, is it possible that the certificate records him as only one or the other? Would that be enough of an embarrassment to keep the certificate sealed? Again, one would think that possibility would reflect worse of the doctor/document preparer or (perhaps) Obama's mother, but not much of a serious gripe with the candidate.

The only scenarios that could really be damaging to Obama himself were if he was born overseas (again, pretty darn implausible) or if he legally changed his name sometime in young adulthood. The idea that he was given some other name at birth and chose to rename himself after his father doesn't seem unthinkable, considering his complicated relationship with his father and sense of identity...

* UPDATE: "Mr. Vice President, it's up to you to solve the mystery."

ANOTHER UPDATE: Craig, a Campaign Spot reader born in Hawaii in 1962, offers the type of information on his birth certificate:

The 'Certificate of Live Birth' contains nothing that could be considered controversial. Some sample entries:

#3. This Birth (box to check) Single, Twin, Triplet

#9. Race of Father

#10. Age of Father

#11. Birthplace (of father)

#12a Usual Occupation

#12b. Kind of Business or Industry

#14. Race of Mother

#17a. Type of Occupation Outside Home During Pregnancy

#17b. Date Last Worked

#18a. Signature of Parent or Other Informant (with check box to signify which has signed)

The word 'religion' does not appear on the form in use in April 1962.

And a reader brought up a surprisingly plausible scenario. We know that by high school, Obama was identified in yearbooks, etc., as "Barry Obama." But we know the relationship between Obama's parents was rocky at times (Obama describes a short article about his father, profiling the Kenyan foreign exchange student, in the Honolulu Advertiser that doesn't mention his wife or newborn child). What if on his birth certificate he was identified by his mother's maiden name... Barack Dunham?

Or Barry Dunham?

[Bucho]

post some of your own original thoughts or don't bother trying to get into a political discussion. i can't stand that shit.

[timmyruckus]

ok, because i was censored and couldn't respond on your other thread here it is


in 2 sentences....

1 - you post up a negative list about a person

2 - the list talks about the race of this person

racism

noun
1. the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
2. discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race

just because you didn't drop the "n" bomb or make a stereotypical remark doesn't mean it's not racist man.


i'm only gonna continue a discussion if it stays civil yo. we're all adults here and should be able to handle hot issues and heated debates w/o lowering ourselves to threats, capische?

[thoughtbombing]

post some of your own original thoughts....

like that's possible nowadays... in some cases, it's better to use the old argument because it wins... hence the old argument is still being used.

When it comes to this though, it seems a bit tired. If the implication is that there is some information that he was born outside the US(Hi McCain... naturalized U.S. Citizen... uneligible nominee) then go ahead... but the Constitution is clear about religion not playing a part if the presidency... there is no religious test.