Hundreds Killed In Iraeli Air Strikes On GAZA

[Tonic]

At least 140 people are believed to have been killed after Israel launched a series of air strikes on Hamas security compounds in Gaza City.

The head of Gaza's ambulance service added that 200 people had been wounded after Israel fired around 30 missiles.

Thick black smoke billowed over the city following the attacks, which are thought to have destroyed most of the police headquarters in the city.

Many Hamas security compounds are in residential areas, and the airstrikes took place as children were leaving school.

One police compound was hosting a graduation ceremony for new personnel when it was attacked.

The dead include police chief Tawfiq Jabber, Hamas radio reported.

The attacks followed a decision by Israel's security cabinet to strike back after renewed rocket attacks from Gaza on Israeli border towns.

The Israeli military confirmed they had conducted strikes, saying they targeted "terrorist infrastructure".

A spokesman said: "Our aviation intervened massively against Hamas infrastructure in the Gaza Strip to stop the terrorist attacks of the past several weeks against Israeli civilian installations.

"We had warned the civilian population in the Gaza Strip of our attacks and Hamas, which hides within this population, is solely responsible for this situation.

"Our operations will continue and will be expanded if necessary."

Hamas and other Palestinian factions have ordered their troops to avenge the attack.

A statement from Islamic Jihad said: "All fighters are ordered to respond to the Israeli slaughter."

The attacks follow the end of a six-month truce between the two sides.

Sky correspondent Rachel Younger said: "Hamas blamed Israel for that collapse.

"They said Israel was not letting enough food and medical suppliers through into Gaza."

She added that the role of Egypt would now be vital, as the Egyptians "feel Hamas has been ignoring their efforts to broker a peace deal."

More to follow...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/

Aljazeera news reporting that Hamas is calling for a Massive Unified Response!

[The Spanish Armada]

པད་མ་ཆུ་སྐྱེས་

[Tonic]

པད་མ་ཆུ་སྐྱེས་


Americas favorite pal Israel is back at it , what could only be called a systematic genocide of the Palestinian people, being carried out with no protest from the UN or USA of course...

What part do you not understand?

[Bucho]

well, if they'd put their religious differences aside and quit killing each other over dogma and property, we wouldn't have to worry about this nonsense.

neither side is right.

[traci_dub]

Americas favorite pal Israel is back at it , what could only be called a systematic genocide of the Palestinian people, being carried out with no protest from the UN or USA of course...

What part do you not understand?

Where were you the past few days when Hamas and the PLO were shelling Israeli villages? Where was your cries for action? That's right, you said and did nothing. The only reason you shit on Israel is because it's a slight against the United States.

Where were you when the PLO and Hamas took over Lebanese army brigades and told them to help fight Israel or be murdered on the spot? Where were you when Hamas told the people of Lebanon to abandon your land and supplies for Hamas or they will take it by force? You never question the actions of the PLO and Hamas do you? I have family members in Lebanon who told me about 2 years ago during the Israeli v PLO/Hamas conflict where they hid under the safety of the Lebanese people because they were too big of cowards to face them on their own terms.

Everyone focused on the innocent deaths caused by Israel but no one focused on the flat out MURDERS by Hamas and the PLO going on at the same time.

Hamas the PLO are plagues upon this planet.

[Tonic]

[QUOTE]Where were you the past few days when Hamas and the PLO were shelling Israeli villages? Where was your cries for action? That's right, you said and did nothing. The only reason you shit on Israel is because it's a slight against the United States.


Lol... I think maybe one person got killed when Hamas was "shelling Israel"... Youre right , I didnt say anything because I dont give a shit about Israel..

Where were you when the PLO and Hamas took over Lebanese army brigades and told them to help fight Israel or be murdered on the spot? Where were you when Hamas told the people of Lebanon to abandon your land and supplies for Hamas or they will take it by force? You never question the actions of the PLO and Hamas do you? I have family members in Lebanon who told me about 2 years ago during the Israeli v PLO/Hamas conflict where they hid under the safety of the Lebanese people because they were too big of cowards to face them on their own terms.


Are you delusional? Please go over to Palestien and live in their concentration camps / ghettos and then try to re0-type that dirge you just spewed


Everyone focused on the innocent deaths caused by Israel but no one focused on the flat out MURDERS by Hamas and the PLO going on at the same time.

Hamas the PLO are plagues upon this planet.

What are you a fucking Zionist?

[traci_dub]

Lol... I think maybe one person got killed when Hamas was "shelling Israel"... Youre right , I didnt say anything because I dont give a shit about Israel..

So you're choosing to value one human life over another? This shows your bias. You have had your ideas spoon fed to you by blogs and liberals with an Agenda. You have absolutely no clue at the attrocities that have been committed by Hamas and the PLO.



Are you delusional? Please go over to Palestien and live in their concentration camps / ghettos and then try to re0-type that dirge you just spewed

I've been to the Gaza strip. In 2005. Have you?


What are you a fucking Zionist?

Do you even know what Zionist means? You do realize by definition any practicing Christain would be a Zionist? Zionist just means you recognize Israels right to exist as is. I could give a fuck either way.

I'm Lebanese and have family who live in Lebanon. I have a parent who were run out of Lebanon in the 1970/80s because of the PLO and people who now make up Hamas.

I hear stories about family members who were killed during the PLO's invasion of Lebanon. I heard from my grandmother about Hamas 2 summers ago killing fathers who refused to give up land and raping their wives and daughters.

While I don't wish death upon any INNOCENT person in this world, I can't help but smile at the thought of the death of a Hamas or PLO member.

Every dead Hamas or PLO member is one less person who will be trying to push their extremist views in Lebanon. Lebanon is a secular, civilized, country where muslims and christians live together in relative piece.

Palestine will never be at peace as long as those hate filled organizations are acting as the mouthpieces for larger coward nations scared to fight their own wars.

[Tonic]

[QUOTE]So you're choosing to value one human life over another? This shows your bias. You have had your ideas spoon fed to you by blogs and liberals with an Agenda. You have absolutely no clue at the attrocities that have been committed by Hamas and the PLO.


NO you idiot , im showing you how ridiculous you viewpoint is ... Its like the two schoolyard bullies (Zionist Israel, Zionist America) picking on the weak kid

I've been to the Gaza strip. In 2005. Have you?
Never been there, have comunication with many people that live there though... And Im more than capable of reading between the lines of what is happening there. GENOCIDE.

nternational Witnesses Speak Out from Gaza
>
> For More Information, please visit http://www.FreeGaza.org, or see contact
> details below.
>
> (Besieged Gaza, Palestine - 27th December 2008) - Human Rights Defenders
> from Lebanon, the UK, Poland, Canada, Spain, Italy and Australia are
> present in Gaza and are witnessing and documenting the current Israeli
> attacks on Gaza.
>
> Due to Israel's policy of denying access to international media, human
> rights defenders and aid agencies to the Occupied Gaza Strip, many of
> these Human Rights Defenders arrived in Gaza with the Free Gaza Movement's
> boats. FREE GAZA boats have broken Israel's siege of Gaza five times in
> the past four months.
>
> "At the time of the attacks I was on Omar Mukhtar street and witnessed a
> last rocket hit the street 150 meters away where crowds had already
> gathered to try to extract the dead bodies. Ambulances, trucks, cars -
> anything that can move is bringing injured to
> the hospitals. Hospitals have had to evacuate sick patients to make room
> for the injured. I have been told that there is not enough room in the
> morgues for the bodies and that there is a great lack of blood in the
> blood banks. I have just learned that among the civilians killed today was
> the mother of my good friends in Jabalya camp."
> - Eva Bartlett (Canada) International Solidarity Movement
>
> "Israeli missles tore through a children's playground and busy market in
> Diere Balah, we saw the aftermath - many were injured and some reportedly
> killed. Every Hospital in the Gaza strip is already overwhelmed with
> injured people and does not have the medicine or the capacity to treat
> them. Israel is committing crimes against humanity, it is violating
> international and human rights law, ignoring the United Nations and
> planning even bigger attacks. The world must act now and intensify the
> calls for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel; governments
> need to move beyond words of condemnation into an active and immediate
> restraint of Israel and a lifting of the siege of Gaza"
> - Ewa Jasiewicz (Polish and British) Free Gaza Movement
>
> "The morgue at the Shifa hospital has no more room for dead bodies, so
> bodies and body parts are strewn all over the hospital."
> - Dr. Haidar Eid, (Palestinian, South African) Professor of Social and
> Cultural Studies, Al Aqsa University Gaza
>
> "The bombs began to fall just as the children were on the streets walking
> back from school. I went out onto the stairs and a terrified 5 year old
> girl ran sobbing into my arms."
> - Sharon Lock (Australian) International Solidarity Movement
>
> "This is incredibly sad. This massacre is not going to bring security for
> the State of Israel or allow it to be part of the Middle East. Now calls
> of revenge are everywhere."
> - Dr. Eyad Sarraj - President of the Gaza Community Mental Health Centre
>
> "As I speak they have just hit a building 200 metres away. There is smoke
> everywhere. This morning I went to the building close to where I live in
> Rafah that had been hit. Two bulldozers were immediately attempting to
> clear the rubble. They thought they had found all the bodies. As we
> arrived one more was found."
> - Jenny Linnel (British) International Solidarity Movement
>
> "The home I am staying in is across from the preventive security compound.
> All the glass of the house shattered. The home has been severely damaged.
> Due to the siege there is no glass or building materials to repair this
> damage. One little boy in our house fainted. An eight year little boy was
> trembling on the ground for an hour. In front of our house we found the
> bodies of two little girls under a car, completely burnt. They were coming
> home from school. This is more than just collective punishment. We are
> being treated like laboratory animals. I have lived through the Israeli
> bombardment of Beirut and the Israel's message is the same in Gaza as it
> was in Beirut- The killing of civilians. There was just another explosion
> outside!"
> - Natalie Abu Eid (Lebanon) International Solidarity Movement
> -----

Do you even know what Zionist means? You do realize by definition any practicing Christain would be a Zionist? Zionist just means you recognize Israels right to exist as is. I could give a fuck either way.


Im not a christian and your definition of Zionism is wrong.

A Zionist is any person believing in the biblical prhophecy of the Jewish conquering/occupation/takeover of not just Palestein, but a majority of the middle east holy land


I'm Lebanese and have family who live in Lebanon. I have a parent who were run out of Lebanon in the 1970/80s because of the PLO and people who now make up Hamas.

I hear stories about family members who were killed during the PLO's invasion of Lebanon. I heard from my grandmother about Hamas 2 summers ago killing fathers who refused to give up land and raping their wives and daughters.

Thats funny .. I hear stories about the Israeli government doing the same thing

While I don't wish death upon any INNOCENT person in this world, I can't help but smile at the thought of the death of a Hamas or PLO member.

Thats great , so youre a douchebag that smiles upon death
aka Zionist

Every dead Hamas or PLO member is one less person who will be trying to push their extremist views in Lebanon. Lebanon is a secular, civilized, country where muslims and christians live together in relative piece.

right .. and Zionism isnt extreme in your views?... Go get a copy of the Talmud and then we'll talk for real

Palestine will never be at peace as long as those hate filled organizations are acting as the mouthpieces for larger coward nations scared to fight their own wars.

Palestine and other regions in the mid east will never be at peace as long as Zionism exists

[traci_dub]

lol Tonic I'm not going to bother going back and fourth with you. Your last reply put you up there with thoughtbombing.

This has been something close to me and my family for decades now and don't expect you to view things through the same eyes.

This is nothing but fodder for your own personal agenda(s)... you'll forget all about this once its done being blogged about and move on to your next headline soon.... and you'll pick it back up on the next slow news day

[Tonic]

lol Tonic I'm not going to bother going back and fourth with you. Your last reply put you up there with thoughtbombing.

This has been something close to me and my family for decades now and don't expect you to view things through the same eyes.

This is nothing but fodder for your own personal agenda(s)... you'll forget all about this once its done being blogged about and move on to your next headline soon.... and you'll pick it back up on the next slow news day

Hey thats great ... Lets not hear you open your internet mouth for a while.. That might allow collective consciousness to regain stability for a minute ( sorry im in bad mood) \

This is actually somehting that is dear to me .. So I will continue to try and bring people to the truth wether it be with talks about palestine or neuro linguistic programming or whatever I choose to talk about

[traci_dub]

Hey thats great ... Lets not hear you open your internet mouth for a while.. That might allow collective consciousness to regain stability for a minute ( sorry im in bad mood) \

This is actually somehting that is dear to me .. So I will continue to try and bring people to the truth wether it be with talks about palestine or neuro linguistic programming or whatever I choose to talk about

If it's dear to you, you could join in aiding the ever growing population of Palestinians trying to create dialouge with Israel without the presence of Hamas.

These people need protection as Hamas members seem to quickly want to murder any and all opposition.

Hamas does not represent the current mindset in Palestine.


I'd be interested in hearing your views on Hamas.

[EDENFLUX]

check out a group called muslimgauze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslimgauze
great political music.

[Tonic]

If it's dear to you, you could join in aiding the ever growing population of Palestinians trying to create dialouge with Israel without the presence of Hamas.

These people need protection as Hamas members seem to quickly want to murder any and all opposition.

Hamas does not represent the current mindset in Palestine.


I'd be interested in hearing your views on Hamas.

Im still learning the intricacies and history of these groups... I have a sneaking suspicion that many of these organizations have at their core a corrupt and controlled phony opposition in order to manipulate these situations from any angle they want

Here is an interesting article I found;

How the Zionists Use Hamas As A Tool of Provocation

From its beginnings over a century ago, the object of the Zionist movement has been to create an ethnically and religiously exclusive "Jewish state" through conquering the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. "A land without people for a people without land," was the slogan. But since Palestine was actually populated by Arabs, they had to be made to disappear, through selective or wholesale expulsion and massacres, such as is taking place now on the West Bank. To realize their program, the Zionists have often resorted to provocation, even against "their own people" - for example, the Mossad's 1951 bombing of the Baghdad synagogue, in order to provoke the flight of the Iraqi Jews (see "Zionist Terror and the In Gathering' of Iraqi Jews," The Internationalist No. 9, January-February 2001). And from Theodor Herzl, Ze'ev Jabotinsky and David Ben Gurion to Yitzhak Rabin and Ariel Sharon, the Zionists have always been prepared to "do business with" the worst anti-Semites, including Hitler's Nazis (see "Zionism, Imperialism and Anti-Semitism" in the same issue).

Following this logic, the state of Israel helped create and foster the growth the Islamic fundamentalists. It is by now well-known how U.S. intelligence agencies created Osama Bin Laden, using the Saudi-born Yemeni millionaire to recruit "holy warriors" (mujahedin) to fight against the Soviet army in Afghanistan, and how the CIA's dogs of war later slipped the leash, turning their religious frenzy against the "infidels" of the West. Similarly, and in close connection with U.S. operations in Afghanistan, Israeli leaders nurtured the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) as a counter to the secular nationalist Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), then allied with the Soviet Union. Even after Hamas turned to suicide bombing against Israelis, the Zionist authorities favored it over the PLO. Today, as the Israeli army is supposedly engaged in a war to root out the "terrorist infrastructure," it has not touched Gaza, the bastion of Hamas and origin of most of the suicide bombers. Moreover, Israel's military machine has deliberately provoked terrorist attacks by the Islamic fundamentalists which then become the excuses for its war on the Palestinians.

The Zionist leaders want anti-Semitic terror. They need attacks on Jews in order to tighten their hold on the Hebrew people in the Israeli garrison state and to solidify their support from the imperialists, without which Israel could not survive.

The 1967 war - in which the Israeli army seized East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan, the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria - gave rise to a nationalist Palestinian opposition grouped together in the PLO. The largest single component was Fatah, headed by Yasir Arafat, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood who became a protégé of Egyptian nationalist leader Gamal Abdel Nasser. The PLO also included smaller nationalist groups allied with Syria, as well as the Palestine Communist Party (PCP) and two groups that cloaked their nationalism in Stalinist rhetoric, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) of George Habash and the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP) of Nayef Hawatmeh. At the time of their founding, the PFLP and DFLP modeled themselves on the Vietnamese National Liberation Front and saw themselves as fedayin (guerrilla fighters) in a national liberation struggle.

In the Palestinian lands which the Zionists occupied in 1967, the fedayin completely dominated the resistance and remade the PLO, which had been founded by Nasser in 1964 as the Palestinian nationalist umbrella organization. Nevertheless, the nationalist guerrillas were vulnerable in tiny Gaza, where nearly a million people are crammed into 140 square miles, most of it desert, most of it desert. For several years, the fedayin/PLO attacked Zionist military targets, achieving modest successes until the Israeli army laid siege to Gaza in 1971. Israel bulldozed hundreds of homes in the refugee camps and deported tens of thousands, including 15,000 suspected PLO fighters who were packed off to camps in the Sinai desert. As the Zionists brutally repressed the PLO, they sought to bolster the then-unimportant Islamic fundamentalist organizations centered around the Gaza-based Muslim Brotherhood.

Just as the CIA sought since the 1940s to foster Islamic-led counterrevolution in Soviet Central Asia (considered by the Cold Warriors to be the "soft underbelly" of the USSR), the Zionists believe that their aims can be served by manipulating Islamic fundamentalist groups. One of the most important leaders of Hamas was a top operative in U.S. imperialism's anti-Soviet operation in Afghanistan. ABC News correspondent John Cooley, writing in the International Herald Tribune (13 March 1996), noted: "A key Hamas organizer was Abdallah Azzam. He was a tough, brilliant and charismatic Palestinian from Jordan. He supervised training for the CIA's Afghan guerrillas in Peshawar, Pakistan, where a car bomb killed him in 1989. In the earlier 1980s he toured the United States, recruiting Arab-Americans for the anti-Soviet jihad in Afghanistan."

The Israelis sought to use the Islamists in order to wield the club of religion against the alleged "godless Communists" in the PLO. In the CIA-funded "holy war" against modernizing nationalists and Soviet troops in Afghanistan, revolutionaries stood four-square with the Red Army, while pro-imperialist "leftists" cheered Washington's mujahedin. Today, the American ISO criticizes the U.S. government for "hailing Islamists in Afghanistan as 'freedom fighters' against the old USSR" (Socialist Worker, 12 April). In an act of historical falsification worthy of Stalin's own photo editors, it seeks to airbrush out the fact that the anti-Soviet ISO also hailed the Islamists at that time. In 1978 the Zionist government sought out Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and helped him found an Islamic social works organization, Mujama. According to a study by Beverley Milton-Edwards, Islamic Politics in Palestine (Tauris, 1996):

"In 1978 Israel's civil administration in Gaza encouraged Sheikh Yassin and his colleagues to submit an application to register the Mujama as a charitable society. Permission was granted; as such official [recognition] was frequently denied to other Gazans during this period, the decision was viewed with suspicion by the local political community. Although the Mujama described itself as a charity, the Israelis were well aware of its political aspirations.... When the Mujama started to exert its influence over already existing institutions as a means to undermine the nationalists, the Israelis stood by."

With Israeli collusion, Mujama set up the Islamic University of Gaza, to inculcate students with anti-PLO propaganda. The Mujamists chanted, "How can uncovered women and men with Beatle haircuts liberate our holy places?" Students who were insufficiently convinced of the anti-PLO line were brutally attacked, and sometimes acid was thrown in their faces. Mujama professed to be an education and charitable organization, but its real purpose was to attack PLO-allied institutions such as the Palestinian Red Crescent Society (PRC), a welfare and health care organization. In 1979, Mujama lost a municipal election in Gaza to the PRC, and appealed to the Israeli government to overturn the results! When the Israelis balked, knowing that overt Zionist support would have exposed Mujama as their tool, the Islamists took action.

"A demonstration then started out from the grounds of the [Islamic] university. Most of the people involved in the march and subsequent attacks were Mujama supporters. The demonstrators, ignoring the Israeli army soldiers stationed along their way, set off in the direction of the PRC building. According to Shalom Cohen, 'Thousands of demonstrators took to the streets shouting Allahu Akbar (God is great), down with Communism, long live Islam.'

"During the demonstration the Mujama militants attacked cafes, video shops and liquor stores. When they arrived at the offices of the PRC they set the building on fire. The offices were destroyed, including approximately 80 per cent of the books in the library... Throughout the attack the Israeli authorities failed to intervene."

The PRC issued a statement denouncing the complicity of the Israeli forces:

"The tacit approval of the authorities, if not their actual connivance in what happened, was displayed by their attitude of non-interference. While they usually display great alertness to combating even peaceful demonstrations of young students within schools, here they stood indifferently watching a violently destructive demonstration marching to its objective."

At the time of the intifada of 1988, the second main Muslim fundamentalist organization in Palestine, Islamic Jihad, had been weakened by Zionist repression. Seeking to capitalize on the upsurge of militant protests by Palestinian youth, Hamas emerged from Mujama's ranks as its fighting organization. While PLO supporters preferred mass action, Hamas specialized in shootings, often of Israeli army personnel. Yet at the height of the intifada. Sheikh Yassin and Dr. Mahmoud Zahar of Hamas would meet with the likes of then-defense minister Yitzhak Rabin, while meetings with the PLO were prohibited by law. As Milton-Edwards notes:

"The relationship between Hamas and the Israeli authorities was, however, at its strongest during the second year of the Intifada. The Israelis had been quick to extend legitimacy and status to Hamas in an attempt to marginalise the PLO. Leaders of Hamas were regularly filmed at meetings with top-level Israeli officials and the message the Israelis were sending out was that they regarded Hamas as the type of people with whom they could work....

In addition the Israelis continued turning a blind eye to the large amounts of money coming into the country destined for Hamas coffers, while at the same time actively stopping the flow of PLO funds in support of the Intifada."

In May 1991, following George Bush l's murderous war against Iraq, U.S. ally Saudi Arabia diverted all monies -reportedly $28 million per month - from the PLO to Hamas. This was punishment for Arafat's support for Saddam Hussein and a reward for Hamas' condemnation of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait (which Hussein had informed the U.S. ambassador about beforehand), the pretext for "Operation Desert Slaughter." Hamas, as far as the Zionists and the U.S. imperialists were concerned, was an asset.

But it was the Oslo "peace process" that gave Hamas its chance to win support in the Palestinian population: while the PLO was clamping down on any opposition to the accords with its myriad police forces, organized in cooperation with the CIA and Israel's Shin Beth, Hamas began carrying out indiscriminate bombings of civilian targets. Some of these actions were suicide bombings, in which a mujahid (holy warrior) would blow himself up in a crowded Israeli bus or market place. Between 1994 and 1998, Hamas killed around 150 Israeli civilians in this way. With Arafat closely tied to the Zionists and their U.S. backers, Hamas made temporary alliances with dissident factions within the PLO, and gained a reputation as "militants." Many of its new supporters did not agree strongly or at all with the Islamic goals of Hamas, but they were revolted by the apparent collaboration with the Zionists by leaders of Fatah, Arafat above all. By its double strategy of "negotiating" with the PLO and building up Islamic fundamentalism, Israeli rulers succeeded in fostering sometimes deadly rivalries among the Palestinian political leaders.

The Zionists also periodically provoked Hamas into carrying out a terrorist action against Israeli civilians whenever they were trying to derail peace talks with the PLO or to launch a broad attack on the Palestinians. A favorite tactic is to launch an attack on a prominent religious shrine. In September 1990, Zionist fundamentalists held a provocative march on the A I Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem, predictably leading to an outburst of protest which was then bloodily suppressed by the Israeli police and army, leaving at least 21 dead. Israeli leaders were chomping at the bit to use the impending U.S. war on Iraq as a pretext to drown the first intifada in blood. At the time, George Bush I told Likud prime minister Shamir to cool it because he needed Arab support for his war. At the end of September 1996, the government of Likud prime minister Netanyahu provoked a slaughter of Palestinians by opening a tunnel under Al Aqsa, in order to undercut U.S. president Clinton's plans for negotiations with Arafat. And then, once again in September 2000, there was Sharon's provocative promenade in front of Al Aqsa, accompanied by 1,000 top Likudniks and 3,000 police and troops. This set off the second Palestinian intifada and with it a new wave of Hamas bombings, the latest being the Passover massacre at Netanya which provided the trigger needed to launch Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield."

Liberal commentators who admit that Israel created Hamas sometimes maintain that it is Israel's "Frankenstein monster," which got out of control and now has supposedly become Zionism's fiercest opponent. On the contrary, Israel's rulers continue to cynically provoke Hamas terror as a way of pushing their "final solution" against the PLO and all Palestinians. The Zionists have engineered the Palestinian "opposition" they want.

[FSTZ]

check out a group called muslimgauze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslimgauze
great political music.

muslimgauze was actually 1 guy from Canada R.I.P.

not sure what this has to do with the current conflict

Hammas is indeed hiding amongst the population who truly want little to do with them

it's tragic really...

just like in 2006 where they would launch rockets from school yards and when israel would retaliate with a rocket strike aimed at where the kazaams we're launched from...

they'd say...

"Look, Israel is blowing up our schools"

it's a fucked up political debochle and way to complex of a debate to engage on a music forum while I'm at work

[Nick Steady]

it's a fucked up political debochle and way to complex of a debate to engage on a music forum while I'm at work


QFT!

[traci_dub]

Im still learning the intricacies and history of these groups... I have a sneaking suspicion that many of these organizations have at their core a corrupt and controlled phony opposition in order to manipulate these situations from any angle they want

Here is an interesting article I found;

I think you missed something in my posts.

I don't hate the PLO/Hamas because I'm Pro-Israel (Zionist) I could actually give a fuck what happens with Israel and Palestine. I can see both sides of the argument, and imo the solution lies somewhere in a mutually acceptable compromise.

My hatred for the PLO/Hamas has to do with the PLO's involvement in Lebanon.

I'm going to trust you're capble of googling or wiking yourself some 20th Century Lebanese history lessons.

Hatred for Hamas doesn't = zionist. Hamas and the PLO have an ugly history that ventures well outside Israeli conflicts

[Tonic]

[QUOTE=traci_dub;432735]I think you missed something in my posts.

I dont think so... If so , what? What did I miss in your posts?

I don't hate the PLO/Hamas because I'm Pro-Israel (Zionist) I could actually give a fuck what happens with Israel and Palestine. I can see both sides of the argument, and imo the solution lies somewhere in a mutually acceptable compromise.


You seem very unwilling to dole out sympathy for the dead and yet you expect it for your side of the argument... hmmmm

Only problem, there isnt a mutually acceptable compromise... Zionism does not allow for 'compromise'

My hatred for the PLO/Hamas has to do with the PLO's involvement in Lebanon.

Ok , why dont you do something about it then?

I'm going to trust you're capble of googling or wiking yourself some 20th Century Lebanese history lessons.


Yes , i dont know a lot about Lebanon ... Only that is is caught in the middle of a much larger mess

Hatred for Hamas doesn't = zionist. Hamas and the PLO have an ugly history that ventures well outside Israeli conflicts

refer to article posted below/above

[traci_dub]

[QUOTE]
Ok , why dont you do something about it then?


Outside of visiting the region and volunteering, donating quite a bit of money, and informing retarded fucks like yourself who can do nothing more than copy and paste on the internet?

[QUOTE]
You seem very unwilling to dole out sympathy for the dead and yet you expect it for your side of the argument... hmmmm

Yep I have zero sympathy for hama, hezz, or plo members.


refer to article posted below/above

That article was written by the Internationalist Group. Do I need to elaborate on why an article by them would and rightfully should be laughed out of any political argument?

Do some fucking research bro before you just copy and paste horse shit you find on random internet sites.

You wouldn't post an article from a zionist website would you? No because there is blatant bias.

[EDENFLUX]

muslimgauze was actually 1 guy from Canada R.I.P.

i know, i tried to collect all his albums.

[EDENFLUX]

i have watched the news and came to conclusion.
BOTH SIDES ARE IN THE WRONG!

[Tonic]

i have watched the news and came to conclusion.
BOTH SIDES ARE IN THE WRONG!

What news?...

[EDENFLUX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX_xbhdnO38

[EDENFLUX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kiyyp9cZdY0

i love youtube (for now)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW1-_JmXQt0

im not about sides, just the truth from our media.

[DJPrato]

I'm just stunned at anyone saying the US and world media is on the side of Israel. Hamas is the one supplying the footage. Israel is not. They're too busy fighting back against an agressor who's been at it for half a decade.

Let's imagine this thing is going down closer to home. Colorado launches thousands of missiles into Kansas. Starting 3 years ago and continuing to this day. In the last few months, Colorado switches from launching 5 missles a day to 50. Kansas, having had enough of 3 years of attacks (and certainly pissed at the unprecedented increase in the number of bombs coming over the border each day) finally takes action. You can't tell me you wouldn't feel Kansas had the right to defend itself.

You can put aside the fact that Hamas is operating in a full-on hostage mode, entrenching themselves in civilian areas to ensure the greatest number of casualties. Forget the fact that Hamas has openly stated their first priority is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Just count the missles coming over the border into the heart of Israeli cities for years and years.

Although I'm certainly not normally a fan, I think Mayor Bloomberg of NYC laid it down best in a CNN interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGgBjZTsPaw&eurl=http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/pushing_back_at_cnn.html

[EDENFLUX]

although i think they are both wrong, the media is interesting on the coverage.
definitely some slant to it.

this is a great CNN News bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4

[Tonic]

[QUOTE]I'm just stunned at anyone saying the US and world media is on the side of Israel.

lol , because it is ?

Hamas is the one supplying the footage. Israel is not. They're too busy fighting back against an agressor who's been at it for half a decade.


are you joking? Israel is too busy bombing the shit out of innocent civilians to give a damn what the rest of the world thinks

Let's imagine this thing is going down closer to home. Colorado launches thousands of missiles into Kansas. Starting 3 years ago and continuing to this day. In the last few months, Colorado switches from launching 5 missles a day to 50. Kansas, having had enough of 3 years of attacks (and certainly pissed at the unprecedented increase in the number of bombs coming over the border each day) finally takes action. You can't tell me you wouldn't feel Kansas had the right to defend itself.

errr.. yeah.. take a look at this map and tell me if the analogy you just gave has anything to do with what is really going on there..

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk312/Cluas911/hfeuf.jpg


You can put aside the fact that Hamas is operating in a full-on hostage mode, entrenching themselves in civilian areas to ensure the greatest number of casualties.

absolute rubbish, Gaza is mostly city , where else do they have to go to fight? Hamas is their police ... Where the fuk do the police stations in your town reside? Oh thats right , in a well populated urban areas


Forget the fact that Hamas has openly stated their first priority is to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

No youre confused , thats the Zionist agenda and always has been . Refer to map once again

Just count the missles coming over the border into the heart of Israeli cities for years and years.

Just look at the tanks plowing over the dead Palestinian bodies '

Although I'm certainly not normally a fan, I think Mayor Bloomberg of NYC laid it down best in a CNN interview:


Bloomberg? lol THe man is lying through his teeth , its disgusting I couldnt even stomach more than a minute of that

If you want about as un-biased new source go here and stream coverage... http://www.presstv.ir/#

Forget CNN , FOX , any of that shit , its all brainwash

[traci_dub]

[QUOTE=DJPrato;434504]

lol , because it is ?



are you joking? Israel is too busy bombing the shit out of innocent civilians to give a damn what the rest of the world thinks

f.

errr.. yeah.. take a look at this map and tell me if the analogy you just gave has anything to do with what is really going on there..

http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk312/Cluas911/hfeuf.jpg



absolute rubbish, Gaza is mostly city , where else do they have to go to fight? Hamas is their police ... Where the fuk do the police stations in your town reside? Oh thats right , in a well populated urban areas



No youre confused , thats the Zionist agenda and always has been . Refer to map once again



Just look at the tanks plowing over the dead Palestinian bodies '


Bloomberg? lol THe man is lying through his teeth , its disgusting I couldnt even stomach more than a minute of that

If you want about as un-biased new source go here and stream coverage... http://www.presstv.ir/#

Forget CNN , FOX , any of that shit , its all brainwash

Ron Paul will win in a landslide